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sir cody


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is tom bombadil a valar

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There are theories of him being one. But I do not believe he is. I think he is a spirit of Arda being the first thing created before everything in Arda besides the Valar of corse. He says that he is the oldes thing in Arda and, well it will take to long to explain but I will start a topic about Tom Bombidil some time.

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sir cody


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on BFME 2 I can not take him seriosly and I wish he was the charcter you could sumon after you get the one ring instead of dumb galadril

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YA. Or someone like Orome.

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I believe that Tom Bombodil is a living incarnation of Eru.

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That does make some sense. I still think that he is one of the Blue Wizards. I know that the blue wizards are obscure and presumably less powerful then the other Istari, but who knows what there "special power" could be.

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I think that could be a defent possibility. But why would he stay in hidding if he was Alatar or Pallando?

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Because it is not his time to shine.

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Maybe you are right?

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i heard he is not miar or valar but since tolkien was a christian he could have based it on god
like tom is god goldberry mother nature he controls the trees he says he is the most ancient thing in arda he is not affected by any earthly thing and there are only two namethat are three lettered names in his books tom and sam but even sam is actually samwise you see conections here

-- Edited by asmodeus on Wednesday 30th of June 2010 04:23:54 PM

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I think he was the first creation of the music of the Ainur. Because he says himself I was here befor the Dark lord came from the out side. Refering to Morgoth not Sauron.

-- Edited by Olorin on Saturday 3rd of July 2010 12:11:14 PM

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yes maybe


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I mean refering to Morgoth NOT Sauron.

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yes of course all though they came there at the same time

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No, Sauron stayed behind for a bit to spy. Or not, I think he might of.

-- Edited by Olorin on Saturday 10th of July 2010 08:06:48 PM

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lol maybe


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Asmodeus I like your signature.

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olorin was telling me that not even tolkien knows about the origins of of tom bombadil its kinda like how george lucas dosn't know the origin of yoda confuse


-- Edited by sir cody on Tuesday 13th of July 2010 02:08:57 PM

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thats a good hypothesis sir cody and thanks eru

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Ya, that is what J.R.R. Tolkien said. "Even some things need to stay a mistory to even it's writer". -J.R.R. Tolkien.

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Like the Entwives.

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Exsacly. Anything els that Tolkien didn't even know himself?

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The Flame of Anor. Tolkien Wiki failed to talk about the possibility of it being the flame imperishable.

In The Fellowship of the Ring, both the novel and the film, Gandalf claimed to be the wielder of the Flame of Anor. Many people think this means the Elvish Ring of Power he has (Narya, the Ring of Fire), but many also wonder why he would reveal this secret to such a powerful enemy. No one knows what he really meant by the Flame of Anor. Some believe it is possible he could be referring to Durin's Bane (a Balrog) as being the Flame of Anor, as the Balrog is said to light itself aflame at will. The Balrog, therefore, could be classified as a being of fire. This is highly unlikely though, since Gandalf also tells the Balrog 'The dark fire shall not avail you, flame of Udûn!' This suggests that it is most likely that the Flame of Anor refers to power inherent in Gandalf himself, possibly because of his status as a Maia. This, however, is only speculation, as the meaning has never been revealed.
It is interesting to note that Minas Tirith was formerly known as Minas Anor, or "Tower of the Sun." This could suggest that the Flame of Anor is the light of the Sun - an ancient symbol of the one omnipotent being, Ilúvatar. As a Maia and a wizard charged with aiding the peoples of Middle Earth in the battle against evil, it's possible that Gandalf's powers are linked to the power of the sun and given by Ilúvatar himself. This seems supported by the fact that most of Gandalf's wizardly powers have something to do with blinding white light.

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I have alredy read all of that befor, but thank you for sharing Illuvatar lol.

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Haha, okay then. That was off topic.

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I am just leting you know I was aware of what you have figured out.

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I know I'm saying that whole thing was kind of off topic. We have answered Sir Cody's question , should I close the topic?

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Yes, you should. Thank you for always asking my opinion of closing topics Illuvatar. It is nice to be a monirator dude or what ever I am.

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Okay. This is a little late but,
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