Arda

Members Login
Username 
 
Password 
    Remember Me  
Arda -> Other First Age Talk -> The languages of Arda.
Post Info TOPIC: The languages of Arda.
Olorin


The White Rider

Status: Offline
Posts: 2010
Date:
The languages of Arda.
Permalink  
 

Which language of Arda is your favorite and why?

__________________

Not all who wander are lost.
sir cody


Lord of the Hornburg

Status: Offline
Posts: 1080
Date:
Permalink  
 

the tree language because it is so simple

__________________
You will be in awe of my knowlage of the Middle Ages!
Olorin


The White Rider

Status: Offline
Posts: 2010
Date:
Permalink  
 

There is not Tree languages my friend.

__________________

Not all who wander are lost.
sir cody


Lord of the Hornburg

Status: Offline
Posts: 1080
Date:
Permalink  
 

then what do you call that when the trees creak like in the two towers

__________________
You will be in awe of my knowlage of the Middle Ages!
Olorin


The White Rider

Status: Offline
Posts: 2010
Date:
Permalink  
 

Entish. Even if they are not ents they can still speak in old Entish.

__________________

Not all who wander are lost.
sir cody


Lord of the Hornburg

Status: Offline
Posts: 1080
Date:
Permalink  
 

if trees take a long time to say anything then I should become the first entish speed talker

__________________
You will be in awe of my knowlage of the Middle Ages!
Iluvatar


Eru

Status: Offline
Posts: 1313
Date:
Permalink  
 

Very funny. Okay, so my favorite language is Sindarin.

__________________
Sing my world into being, Ainur.  The universe needs your power!
Olorin


The White Rider

Status: Offline
Posts: 2010
Date:
Permalink  
 

Same here Sindarin. I do have a fasination for the black speach though it is really interesting.

__________________

Not all who wander are lost.
Iluvatar


Eru

Status: Offline
Posts: 1313
Date:
Permalink  
 

Cool. Even though I like Sindarin better I am learning Quenya. Because it's supposed to be easier.

__________________
Sing my world into being, Ainur.  The universe needs your power!
Olorin


The White Rider

Status: Offline
Posts: 2010
Date:
Permalink  
 

Ah. How is that going?

__________________

Not all who wander are lost.
Iluvatar


Eru

Status: Offline
Posts: 1313
Date:
Permalink  
 

I kind of forgot about it. I need to get back on that!

__________________
Sing my world into being, Ainur.  The universe needs your power!
Olorin


The White Rider

Status: Offline
Posts: 2010
Date:
Permalink  
 

Ya you have to keep up on studying your languages. Like me and Greek.

-- Edited by Olorin on Saturday 29th of May 2010 07:38:42 PM

__________________

Not all who wander are lost.
Iluvatar


Eru

Status: Offline
Posts: 1313
Date:
Permalink  
 

Yes I do.

__________________
Sing my world into being, Ainur.  The universe needs your power!
Olorin


The White Rider

Status: Offline
Posts: 2010
Date:
Permalink  
 

You know what would be really hard! Studying the Black Speach!!!

__________________

Not all who wander are lost.
sir cody


Lord of the Hornburg

Status: Offline
Posts: 1080
Date:
Permalink  
 

that would be useful to know entish because then you could ask what has been going on lately or have you seen a certin person (merry and pippin) or send mesages over long distances

__________________
You will be in awe of my knowlage of the Middle Ages!
Olorin


The White Rider

Status: Offline
Posts: 2010
Date:
Permalink  
 

Ya but Ents speak the common toung so there is no use.

__________________

Not all who wander are lost.
sir cody


Lord of the Hornburg

Status: Offline
Posts: 1080
Date:
Permalink  
 

not just that but the trees

__________________
You will be in awe of my knowlage of the Middle Ages!
Olorin


The White Rider

Status: Offline
Posts: 2010
Date:
Permalink  
 

Ya well, I supose it has some use but I would rather learn somthing els. If I had lots of time I would learn all of the languages of Arda.

__________________

Not all who wander are lost.
Iluvatar


Eru

Status: Offline
Posts: 1313
Date:
Permalink  
 

Haha. If you actually lived in Arda! The common speech is almost completely unknown. Most of what we know is the name of the shire (Suza) and some hobbit names. It would be impossible to learn.

__________________
Sing my world into being, Ainur.  The universe needs your power!
sir cody


Lord of the Hornburg

Status: Offline
Posts: 1080
Date:
Permalink  
 

I say the comman speech should be english

__________________
You will be in awe of my knowlage of the Middle Ages!
Iluvatar


Eru

Status: Offline
Posts: 1313
Date:
Permalink  
 

That would just be plain laziness on Tolkien's part.

__________________
Sing my world into being, Ainur.  The universe needs your power!
sir cody


Lord of the Hornburg

Status: Offline
Posts: 1080
Date:
Permalink  
 

not realy he made up plenty of other languegs

__________________
You will be in awe of my knowlage of the Middle Ages!
Iluvatar


Eru

Status: Offline
Posts: 1313
Date:
Permalink  
 

I know. But it would kind of destroy the realism.

__________________
Sing my world into being, Ainur.  The universe needs your power!
Olorin


The White Rider

Status: Offline
Posts: 2010
Date:
Permalink  
 

I like to think the Common toung in Middle-earth is English.

__________________

Not all who wander are lost.
sir cody


Lord of the Hornburg

Status: Offline
Posts: 1080
Date:
Permalink  
 

or maybe like latin since there are many europan languges based off of latin

__________________
You will be in awe of my knowlage of the Middle Ages!
Olorin


The White Rider

Status: Offline
Posts: 2010
Date:
Permalink  
 

Na just common english is how I see it. Since that is how it was written in the book. I am not saying I am corect, I am simply saying I like to think of it that way, and I belive it to be true.

__________________

Not all who wander are lost.
Iluvatar


Eru

Status: Offline
Posts: 1313
Date:
Permalink  
 

Tolkien himself says that he likes to think of himself as a translator of the stories of Middle-Earth rather then the creator.

__________________
Sing my world into being, Ainur.  The universe needs your power!
Olorin


The White Rider

Status: Offline
Posts: 2010
Date:
Permalink  
 

Ah, but that dose not mean the common language is not english. It dose seem that way. But I really think the Common speach is English.

__________________

Not all who wander are lost.
Iluvatar


Eru

Status: Offline
Posts: 1313
Date:
Permalink  
 

It isn't English. That is a known fact.

__________________
Sing my world into being, Ainur.  The universe needs your power!
Olorin


The White Rider

Status: Offline
Posts: 2010
Date:
Permalink  
 

Were is it stated that it is not?

__________________

Not all who wander are lost.
Iluvatar


Eru

Status: Offline
Posts: 1313
Date:
Permalink  
 

I don't know where it is stated but there are words that I have seen in the common tongue. Such as Suza meaning "The Shire" or "Shire".

__________________
Sing my world into being, Ainur.  The universe needs your power!
Olorin


The White Rider

Status: Offline
Posts: 2010
Date:
Permalink  
 

Well I do trust you Illuvatar, but I must see proof in front of my eyes befor my mind will be changed. You must respect that.

__________________

Not all who wander are lost.
Iluvatar


Eru

Status: Offline
Posts: 1313
Date:
Permalink  
 

Tolkien Wiki wrote:

In The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings, Westron was presented as having been completely translated by English. This had certain important implications: first of all, proper names with derivations somewhat evident to speakers of Westron had been translated, to preserve the effect. Thus, names like Baggins, Bagshot Row, Peregrin, Rivendell etc., are presented as not the actual names. (For example, Meriadoc Brandybuck's actual name is supposed to have been Kalimac Brandagamba, short Kali (meaning jolly, merry). 'Meriadoc', short 'Merry', is designed to maintain the reference to merriness contained in the original name. Likewise Peregrin Took's actual name was Razanur Tûc, short Razar (name of a small apple). 'Peregrin', short 'Pippin' contained both the actual meaning of the full name (traveler, stranger) and the reference to an apple). Sam Gamgee was actually named Ban Galpsi, short for Banazir Galbasi. The ending of the 'true' Hobbit name Bilbo was also changed: in Westron it was Bilba, but Tolkien changed this to -o because -a is usually a female ending in English.



There you go.  Here is the link to the site.

http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Westron



-- Edited by Iluvatar on Tuesday 27th of July 2010 09:25:02 PM

__________________
Sing my world into being, Ainur.  The universe needs your power!
Olorin


The White Rider

Status: Offline
Posts: 2010
Date:
Permalink  
 

Thank you Illuvatar. One thing about wanting to be a master of all things Arda I must accept the cold hard truth. Thank you for reveling it to me Illuvatar.

__________________

Not all who wander are lost.
Iluvatar


Eru

Status: Offline
Posts: 1313
Date:
Permalink  
 

You are welcome. I just try not to think about Westron too much.

__________________
Sing my world into being, Ainur.  The universe needs your power!
Olorin


The White Rider

Status: Offline
Posts: 2010
Date:
Permalink  
 

Ya, I will learn it, but I will not think about it, if I can...

__________________

Not all who wander are lost.
Iluvatar


Eru

Status: Offline
Posts: 1313
Date:
Permalink  
 

Haha, okay good idea.

__________________
Sing my world into being, Ainur.  The universe needs your power!
Olorin


The White Rider

Status: Offline
Posts: 2010
Date:
Permalink  
 

Thank you. And Illuvatar should I move this topic to one of thing languages subject. Or should I just leave it here. Or should I close it because We can talk about these languages one at a time and not just all together. What is your profesinol opinion?

__________________

Not all who wander are lost.
Iluvatar


Eru

Status: Offline
Posts: 1313
Date:
Permalink  
 

I think that we should all decide together what to do. I will send messages to Sir Cody and Asmodeus urging them to participate in the voting.

__________________
Sing my world into being, Ainur.  The universe needs your power!
Olorin


The White Rider

Status: Offline
Posts: 2010
Date:
Permalink  
 

Yeah I will leave that up to you to do Illuvatar. To move it.

__________________

Not all who wander are lost.
Iluvatar


Eru

Status: Offline
Posts: 1313
Date:
Permalink  
 

Did we ever do that voting thing?

__________________
Sing my world into being, Ainur.  The universe needs your power!
Page 1 of 1  sorted by
 
Quick Reply

Please log in to post quick replies.
Arda -> Other First Age Talk -> The languages of Arda.
Tweet this page Post to Digg Post to Del.icio.us


Create your own FREE Forum
Report Abuse 		Powered by ActiveBoard